So i been listenin to the b.c. a4a all day... . No Obie on drums. Given. Different beast all together from p. e.n.... More crude, and raw. Very good for punks. Very loud for non punks. Fuck the latter. Up the former. Very real. Boom boom. Bang bang.and thusly drunk rock makes a triumphantly pist return to where he belongs... heading some great fuckin punk.