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Te-shan, a contemporary of Lin-chi, was famous for the statement: “Whether you can say a word or not, you get thirty blows just the same.” So one day Lin-chi told his own disciple, Lo-p’u, to interview Te-shan and when Te-shan tries to give him thirty blows, to take hold of his stick and push him away with it. Everything went as planned until the moment Lo-p’u grabbed the stick—then Te-shan wal...